> Interesting is that the retention rate with the [Java plus] hacking
approach has been
> only half of that with the [Ada plus] SE approach. So my upper division
> getting a lot smaller.
Is it possible (speculating) that the power of Ada vs. the flaws of Java
means that in spite of the glamor of Applets and graphics, it takes a
degree of innate talent to get the job done with Java? If so, then you
may actually be turning out _better_ graduates. :-)