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CHI-WEB  June 2004, Week 4

CHI-WEB June 2004, Week 4

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DISCUSSION: Saving/navigating in a hierarchical setting-space

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Edwin Li <[log in to unmask]>

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Wed, 23 Jun 2004 12:07:16 -0700

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Hello,

I'm working on a web-based application to configure some equipment
and have run into a problem for which I was hoping to find pointers
or good discussion here.

The equipment has settings that are traditionally arranged in a deep
hierarchy (from the command line interface), and the current
web-based version reflects that hiearchy.  There's an MS
Explorer-like tree-navigation pane on the left, that, at each level,
yields a variably long page of settings in the content area of the
Web page.  That web page has form elements, as well as links to drill
down to and even create lower levels in the hierarchy.

The challenge is how to design users' interactions with the pages
with respect to saving or cancelling their actions.

Currently, on each page, there's an OK, Cancel, and Apply button.
These would be fine if the forms were simple and without the many
links on each page that drill down....

BUT, the questions that have arisen include:
1) Where should OK go?
2) Where should Cancel go?
3) How do we handle navigation away from the current page?

Approach #1. Now, a simple approach, drawing from a model of each
page as a dialog box, might have:
  - OK does the equivalent of the Browser's Back button (keeping
application-use inside the window), saving the changes (possibly
reporting the changes that have been made).
  - Cancel does the equivalent of the Browser's Back button, ignoring
all changes.
  - Apply saves the changes and reloads the current page with the new
settings and reporting the changes that have been made.
  - Navigating away has nothing to do with saving changes, i.e.,
changes don't get saved.

On OK and Cancel: the reason we might go Back rather than to some
central hub (i.e., from which all commands take and return users,
Word's Document window, for example) is that there is no such central
hub in this device configuration application.

Drilling down within the page, however, seems more problematic.  We
could trap each click and pop a message that says "hey, you have to
save your changes or they'll go away", but, at the least, that seems
in-elegant, and, at worst, misleading ("why have all these links in
the center if we can't actually use them till after we hit the OK or
Apply button for our changes?").

It seems like there should be a better way.

To complicate matters, we anticipate many changes in the course of a
single session, and do not want to access the device each time users
make a change...so "saved" changes go into a local cache/queue that
users then get to later choose to "Commit" the changes or "Discard".

Anyway, in addition to the one option above, I've brainstormed a
couple of other ideas:

2. Stripped down: Save and Cancel buttons only
  - Save stays on the current page and saves.  With messaging on page
to report what changed.
  - Cancel just stays on this page and does not save.  With messaging
on page to report that nothing was changed.
  - Navigating does not save. Pop-up warning?
  - Drill-down does not save. Pop-up warning?
  == Cons: Forces users to use navigation to go back to where they
came from, i.e., we don't take the initiative to deliver them to a
place we've researched and found to be "the right place".

3. Stripped down and suped up:  Send to Commit List, Cancel, Commit
List
  - Send to Commit List "saves" and sends the changes to the Commit
List.  Stays on the current page.  Basically a "shopping cart" of
changes.
  - Cancel Changes stays on the current page and resets settings to
what they were when you got to the page...  Maybe this should be
Refresh from Router?
  - Navigating does not save. Pop-up warning?
  - Drill-down does not save. Pop-up warning?
  == Pros: Button behavior simplified.  List of changes to be
committed always visible.  Updates/modifications to the list of
changes easy and always available.
  == Cons: Forces users to use navigation to go back to where they
came from, i.e., we don't take the initiative to deliver them to a
place we've researched and found to be "the right place".  ... Maybe
we could offer an app-internal "Back" button or link to go back to
the page from which they came.


I'm looking for comments, reflections, other ideas, or pointers to
examples from which to spark other brainstorms...

Thanks in advance for your time!
=> Edwin

--
Edwin Li . . . . . . . . . . . . [log in to unmask]
User Experience Engineer, Consultant
Cell: (510) 468-8046

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