At 09:41 AM 11/26/02 -0800, Adam Korman wrote: >With electronic files, it's absolute anarchy. Everyone is empowered to >create their own filing cabinets and choose any labeling and hierarchical >scheme they want -- and usually no one's in charge of enforcing a >hierarchy that will be understood across the organization. Adam, I think this is true when discussing the world of "personal computers" which as a web developer I spend a great deal of time contending with the real world ramifications of. Coming from a mainframe environment though we didn't use to have computers, we had terminals instead and everything came off the behemoth. At least it was highly standardized. >Worse, when companies do try to enforce a hierarchy and labeling scheme on >their servers, what eventually happens is that people don't use the >imposed hierarchy as intended. Instead, they create their own personal >hierarchy, either somewhere deeply nested in the official hierarchy for >use by themselves (or small working group) OR on their local drive (then >email files as needed). This is utter chaos with ghettos of information. Except when there is an effective methodology for enforcing the convention, i.e. a DBMS with applications built around it and adequate training and support for staff to be able to do their jobs w/o having to resort to alternatives like reinventing the wheel. BTW, it took me years to figure out that reinventing the wheel is the hallmark of technology, so not necessarily a bad thing. After all, people will get creative when they feel a need for something and a lack of the means to acquire it. If IT did their job then non-IT folks wouldn't have to kludge ways of doing theirs. Whoops, I'm an IT guy. :) How embarrasking. >What's the alternative? A robust system of attribute-based retrieval. >iTunes and iPhoto are good examples of how this can work at the >single-user level. Users don't have to worry about how files are organized >or named on the hard drive. Instead, there's a big soup of >files that you can easily slice and dice in various ways to find what >you're looking for. Just imagine this on a larger scale. Isn't this exactly what dmoz and google et al are providing? I think that there will always be uses for information outside the realm of what is readily available, or I'll be permanently unemployed. Think about it; if all the data for something is pigeon holed with screens for finding whatever your heart desires within /whatever/ search constraints -- then when the organization's in a jam they'll call in the specialists who know how to look behind the apps and find things out from a different perspective. Maybe there's a beauty and intelligence also at work in all the chaos since regular folks have now been given the organizational power of computers that in many ways outpower the mainframes I worked on in the '80's and early '90's. With better tools augmenting what's already available I think things can get better. Guess that summary doesn't add any new information to the mix though. Marty -- SIMPL WebSite Creation: http://face2interface.com/Home/Demo.shtml -------------------------------------------------------------- Tip of the Day: Quote only what you need from earlier postings CHI-WEB: www.sigchi.org/web POSTINGS: mailto:[log in to unmask] MODERATORS: mailto:[log in to unmask] SUBSCRIPTION CHANGES & FAQ: www.sigchi.org/web/faq.html --------------------------------------------------------------