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"Team Ada: Ada Advocacy Issues (83 & 95)" <[log in to unmask]>
"Wisniewski, Joseph (UNKNOWN)" <[log in to unmask]>
Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:29:24 -0500
"Wisniewski, Joseph (UNKNOWN)" <[log in to unmask]>
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        Not identifiying the city where the contract is simply childish.
        A recruit is not going to get on a plane for an interview not
            where the plane is going. There is nothing for the recruiter to
            by not disclosing the city.

        If the recruiter is concerned that the candidate is going to "shop
the shops"
        once they find out the city, well ... guess what, that is

        Now as far as candidates going "direct" to the client .... if you
mean direct as
        a direct employee to the client ... if a shop doesn't have an
agreement with
        the client to not be used as a "fee free" recruiting firm, that is
their fault.
        If a shop says Midwest and won't say "Ft. Wayne, Indiana"
        because the recruit might find out that Raytheon is looking for
direct employees,
        well, I think that is rather interesting that that would be
construed as an
        "introduction" to the client. The clients that are looking for Ada
people is well
        published on the web. There are no secrets as to who the Ada clients
are. It
        may take a bit of work, but the information is readily available in
the vast majority
        of the cases.

        If by going "direct" it is meant to "cut your own contract with the
client", two points:
                1. For most large Ada clients, this is VERY, VERY difficult
to do. The shops
                have little to worry about in this regard; that is, UNLESS
they can't deliver the
                talent, and that is their fault.

                2. The vast majority of contractors don't know how to do
this, and if it progressed
                to the point of a discussion with the client as to the
requirements to do this would quickly
                bail out in favor of a shop anyway; when they realized that
they would probably have
                to incorporate, supply insurance, etc.

        But back to the main point of this thread. I don't mind the notices
too much either. But ...
        I also think that it
        is fair game then for ALL experiences relating to these postings to
ALSO be posted.

        Are all the shops out there ready for that? It is a two-way street
you know.


> A recruiter has a dilemma:
>   Identify the location, and if it's a place that does not have many
>   Ada shops, candidates go direct, or other recruiters pick up on it.
>   Don't identify, and many candidates don't respond.
> I couldn't resist correcting the subject line.  :-)
> --
> Wes Groleau