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X-To: Doug Smith <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:18:01 -0700
From: "Robert C. Leif" <[log in to unmask]>
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From: Bob Leif
To: Doug Smith et al.

You wrote, "So it isn't a question of how to do it,'s who and
when!" Please provide instructions on how to do it with a personal web
server or any other means on Windows 98. I would greatly prefer that the PC
NOT be connected to the Internet. A simple reference would be sufficient.

I do agree that this is essentially a two stage problem. Firstly, we develop
a quick solution. Then, we should develop an optimum solution. In my
opinion, it would be an excellent use of the Commercializing Ada Workshop at
SIGAda '99 to spend some time on this subject.

-----Original Message-----
From: Team Ada: Ada Advocacy Issues (83 & 95)
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Doug Smith
Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 8:34 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: How to provide Ada with the best possible GUI. was RE: Two
interesting approaches to job hunting and more

Back when WebAda was a hot item and used HTML/Web Browser to provide a
client/server development environment, Mike Feldman and I were trying to
figure out just how to get this nicer, web-based interface into a
stand-alone development environment. Since Windows-95 and Mac OS8, a
personal web server has been available with the OS. So it isn't a question
of how to do it,'s who and when!


At 11:22 PM -0400 9/10/99, Robert C. Leif wrote:
>From: Bob Leif
>To: Richard Conn et al.
>I suspect that you are correct that it is easier to create screens in
>Basic than Ada. I believe that this has much more to do with the
>than the programming languages.
>Last year, I proposed what I thought to be a simple solution, use XML or
>HTML, which can now be extended to XHTML. That is HTML which is consistent
>with being an XML application. There is only one problem with this
>Present browsers are designed for a client-server environment, rather than
>being totally hosted on the client. The technical question is, what is the
>simplest way to have an Ada program directly interact with a browser? Both
>the program and the browser are located on the same CPU and using the same
>peripherals and operating system.
>At SIGAda '98, I strongly suggested that the Ada community be represented
>the World Wide Web Consortium. Presumably, the appropriate organization
>would be the ARA. I still believe that the best way to achieve penetration
>of the commercial market by Ada is through the use of Web technology and
>standards. For instance, there are many HTML application builders that can
>compete with Visual BASIC. Many embedded systems can be based on simple
>forms. They are certainly sufficient for my own applications. All we need
>a simple way to use this technology.
>Parenthetically, the use of Web technology for client based applications is
>a very simple and straight forward way to both build portable applications
>and break Microsoft's control of the market. Amusingly, and to its credit,
>Microsoft is making its own products do exactly what I suggested. Word,
>Excel, etc files can be saved and operated on in HTML format.
>In short, let us develop Ada technology based on Web standards.
>1. R. C. Leif, “SIGAda ‘98, Workshop: How do We Expedite the Commercial Use
>of Ada?.” Ada letters XIX, No 1 pp. 28-39 (1999).
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Team Ada: Ada Advocacy Issues (83 & 95)
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Richard L. Conn
>Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 5:03 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Two interesting approaches to job hunting and more
>Hi, Everyone,
> And Visual Basic is a LOT easier ... my students all ran
>their first GUI-oriented programs with various degrees of bells and
>after 1.5 hours of instruction and 1.5 hours of lab.  At this point, I
>feed them new ideas fast enough.
>Right now, a number of our Ada people are taking courses in Visual Basic
>(for certification).  Even on the next ASE CDROM, I have an example of an
>Ada engine (command-line oriented) running under a Visual Basic
>front-end.  So far, the Ada people are not leaving (airplanes are too much
>but time will tell.  So far, the blend of the two is a good thing.
>Just some comments.
>Richard Conn, ASE and PAL Manager