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Jo, Tom, & et al,

I believe that it was Thomas Visby Snitker who started this very
interesting thread.

There seemed to be alot of interest world wide on this particular thread,
and a number of other participants on this list actually sited these links
which I compiled.  I only compiled the english language sites, as I did not
this I could accurately compile those in languages which I could not read.

If you opened the links, you would find that a very long list of browsers,
including very obscure ones, appear in all these surveys except for the
last one.

I thought this thread was so interesting that I compiled these links, and
only summarized the largest percentages.  I also included the links so that
you could see all the other browser listings, should you be interested
enough to check, as I was.

If this thread does not interest you, you need not read it.  I do not read
all the threads on this list.
I hope that for those on this list who are interested enough to view and
read these links, and those of you who offered these URLs to this thread,
that this compile was helpful.

Elizabeth Gee

Human Factors Engineer
Corillian Corporation
(503)526-5241
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The only thing we can be sure of, is Change.    -I Ching


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-----Original Message-----
From:   Thomas Visby Snitker [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
Sent:   Wednesday, February 10, 1999 12:56 PM
To:     [log in to unmask]
Subject:        Browserversion-surveys

Does anyone know some statistics about how many web-users use any specific
browser *and* version, eg. IE 3.0?
Reports about browser-version-diffusion (- answering *why* this or that
version is used in specific user-segments, like developers or webchatters
or
...) are also very welcome.

We are currently discussing this as developers tend to develop for newer
browsers (IE and NN versions 4.x) and in the worst cases exclude users with
older browsers. We find it hard to back our arguments with empirical data,
so if you know of any user-surveys or reports on browser-usage, please
help.

(GVUs WWW user surveys http://www-survey.cc.gatech.edu/cgi-bin/survey_entry
do not include data on versions)

From pre-test interviews we know that some users know what a browser is, or
which one they have, and some even know the version. But we have also seen
users with one or two years of web-experience knowing next to nothing about
their browser, but still fully capable of browsing the Internet.

Best regards

Thomas Visby Snitker
Usability specialist
Kommunedata, Lautrupparken 40, DK-2750 Ballerup, Denmark.
Tel (+45-)44660111 - 4654. E-mail [log in to unmask] http://www.kmd.dk/cfb
I'm back monday 15th Feb
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-----Original Message-----
From:   Jo Meder [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
Sent:   Friday, February 12, 1999 2:39 AM
To:     [log in to unmask]
Subject:        Re: Browserversion-surveys - COMPILED FINDINGS

Liz Gee <[log in to unmask]> writes:
> It seems that Yahoo users are primarily Windows Netscape users.  I
> guess the IE users are pointed to Microsoft.

Well this may be UI but I'm just unable to grok in what respect. I
don't want to sound harsh, but what benefit do you[0] gain from knowing
the percentages of users of a certain browser wrt to a certain site?

Firstly the sample is selfselecting at best and secondly: who
cares? HTML and the "WEB" were conceived as system independent
devices of desemination of information. So the question seems (at
least to me, call me an idealist) to be, what do you gain by
catering for specific browsers[1] and thereby leaving the
100% audience of standards-conforming HTML?

Please, don't take this as a charge against anything you[0] do, I'm
just seeking enlightenment: What is to be gained by excluding
minorities from access to sites? Is it worthwhile? If so, why?



Best regards,

        Jo


[0] generic "you", that is, as in following occurances
[1] What else would such a survey be useful for in the context of this
    list?

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