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Christopher Fahey <[log in to unmask]>
Mon, 12 Dec 2005 11:30:53 -0800
Jim Griesemer <[log in to unmask]>
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I agree with the second point here and bristle at the

Specifying multiple fonts -- It is good that we can
specify multiple fonts, starting with Helvetica. I am
grateful for this "fallback" method of styling font.

Helvetica vs. Arial -- This is the second time I have
heard a preference of Graphic Designers referred to as
a "religious argument" (the first time was from an
Engineer). This strikes me, not only as disrespectful
to religion, but also disrespectful to Graphic
Designers and Graphic Design as a discipline. I
submit, if Graphics Designers state that a font is
preferable, there are good reasons for that
preference, especially if it is acknowledged to be
from the vast majority. In both instances, this
"religious argument" comment has had the connotation
of dismissing the point as irrelevant. It is not.
Graphic Designers do not choose fonts, compositions,
and colors lightly.

If the Usability *and* Engineering Communities want to
encourage Graphic Designers to join in with the ethos
of Usability (and I believe we should join),
contributions from Graphic Designers must be received
with respect for their years of experience in the
disciple, and not be dismissed as pointless. Graphic
Designers address the vagueries of continuity, visual
connotation, and general "look and feel" -- all
important issues to business, and I might add, the
users.  These may be hard to quantify, but IMHO, the
require the same consideration as functionality.  

With all due respect, Jim Griesemer    

> "Helvetica versus Arial" discussions are usually
> pointless and religious in
> nature. Although it's indisputable that the vast
> majority of graphic
> designers prefer Helvetica, and although it's true
> that most web users don't
> actually have Helvetica, there need not be any
> heated debate about the
> functional impact of choosing between these fonts:
> HTML/CSS permits us to
> specify multiple fonts. If you prefer Helvetica, go
> right ahead and use it
> and specify Arial as the *second*, fallback font.  

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