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derek bambach <[log in to unmask]>
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derek bambach <[log in to unmask]>
Fri, 5 Feb 1999 13:23:25 -0500
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At 10:21 AM 2/3/99 -0800, Gill, Kathy wrote:
>Frames are part of the spec but with caveats -- and some of us wish that
the caveats were more strictly required. Most framed sites do no meet
recommended code -- ie, they don't provide alternative entry (proper use of

i thought the <noframes> tag (and the no-longer ubiquitous "no frames
version" link on lots of entry pages) were there to provide an alternative
to people with a *technological* limitation - that is, for people running
(mostly) 2x browsers that didn't support frames - not for people that
simply didn't like frames from a usability perspective. since most people
(not sure of stats) now run browsers that do support frames (whether they
like it or not), the no-frames alternative has largely fallen out of
favour. good or bad? - i'm not suggesting a discussion of that - and i'm
not offering an opinion - except to say in this new day of dynamically
generated content and multiple personality UI's for websites, having to
support and maintain a no-frames version has become a
manhour-resource-maintance liability.

>IF the site is written to full spec --  it doesn't matter if frames are
"turned off" because the end user will enter thru the NoFrames alternative.
>Following your logic below -- why the dickens would MSFT provide this
functionality on MSIE 4.x for the Mac and NOT for the PC? That seems very

microsoft built MSIE 4 for the Mac AFTER they built the PC version - it's
not simply a port of the PC version, but a ground-up development effort.
that gave them the opportunity to add some functions that didn't make it
into the PC version. (maybe they figured that because so many web designers
have such strongly held opinions on this topic, and so many of them are mac
users, they would give them a workaround that the more accepting PC crowd
didn't care as much about? ;-)

PC user
Mac owner

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