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"Team Ada: Ada Advocacy Issues (83 & 95)" <[log in to unmask]>
Wed, 1 Dec 1999 22:49:03 -0500
"Richard L. Conn" <[log in to unmask]>
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Perhaps ... I could have had a lot of exposure to
M$, but I've had a lot of exposure to Ada, UNIX, and
the others as well.  As a result, I see a lot of
different views.  There is also the chance that
others have not had ENOUGH exposure to M$ to look
through the heresay and see what is happening.

May I suggest (for further reading):
  1. MIT Technology Review (all the 1999 issues)
  2. The report and follow-up to the President's
Information Technology Advisory Committee

I can't post the first one, but I can post the second.
It will be on the next Ada and Software Engineering CD.
It is on the web now; look under
and search for PITAC.  Details are at:
and search for PITAC.

Yes, something is wrong (there's a LOT wrong), but
something is also right.  I don't have the
Australian point of view, but I can share the point
of view I have, as can you.  We certainly welcome it.

Richard Conn, ASE and PAL Manager

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Team Ada: Ada Advocacy Issues (83 & 95)
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Geoff Bull
> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 9:55 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: What the competition looks like
> Richard L. Conn wrote:
> >
> > I view my perception as more practical than
> > defeatest.  Yes, you are right ... there are
> > many more non-Microsoft needs than the safety
> > critical one I mentioned.  But the point is:
> > who is going to pay for the infrastructure
> > development?  Hobbiests working at home at night?
> > Volunteers?  Venture capitalists?
> >
> > Tuck said the other day that the ARA has an
> > annual budget of $75K.  I think it should go
> > toward enhancing Ada's strengths, not spreading
> > us thin.
> I don't recall anybody suggesting the ARA fund any development.
> Even if they had the funding, that is not their purpose.
> Was GtkAda funded by venture capitalists?
> Did Linus Torvalds need the blessing of M$ before
> he started Linux?
> I made a small Ada to Java JNI binding for my work.
> I realized it might have wider appeal, so I spent my own
> time making it more generally useful.
> What is wrong with this?
> Also, I can't see the value in you telling us we are all
> wasting out time.
> I also see your drop out rate is > 50%.
> Man, you gotta be doing something wrong!
> Back when I went to University (it was free in those days)
> the dropout rate was nothing like yours.
> (or maybe this is an American v's  Australian thing?).
> My first language was Pascal and my first program was
> probably "hello world", but I was stilled hooked.
> I was just thankful to not have to use punch cards.
> I think if Ada is content to just play in a couple of
> small niches, it will find its territory continually eroded
> by other languages. To survive Ada needs to build critical mass by
> aggressively invading new territory. Look for areas where
> other languages are weak - I agree the M$ desktop is not one
> of these areas. Of course, the ARA with a marketing budget of
> just $75K is not in position to do much.
> I think you have had too much exposure to M$.
> __
> Geoff