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"Team Ada: Ada Advocacy Issues (83 & 95)" <[log in to unmask]>
Fri, 10 Mar 2000 22:36:53 -0500
Dean Esposito <[log in to unmask]>
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        I have been recruiting Software Engineers for 4 years. Specializing in Ada
developers for about 2 years. The recruiting industry as a whole has really
been taking a bad wrap over the past few years because of every Tom, Dick,
and Henrietta who decides to buy a computer, post some jobs, read some
resumes, and call themselves a recruiter. Here are some very quick questions
that you can asked to confirm whether or not you want to be represented by a
certain recruiter.

1)Have you ever placed anyone with this company before? If yes, how many?
2)How long has the recruiter specialized in people like yourself?
3)Why do you think I would be a good candidate for your client? (A
recruiter's responsibility is to understand your position not to do it. A
recruiter is a relationship builder and a negotiator. If this recruiter
can't speak a few sentences that communicate what their client does. How do
you expect them to communicate what you can do for the client?

Confidential career searches with a search consultant who specializes in
your field and particular skill render more qualified results. Your search
traditionally is much faster with less headaches and risk of exposure!

There is Ada work all over the US! The reason why Ada is not a so called
POPULAR language like Java is Money, Marketing, SUN and Microsoft!

"E"commerce is not life and death. If it was, it would be coded in Ada.

Dean Esposito

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Team Ada: Ada Advocacy Issues (83 & 95)
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of David S Croston Melling
> Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 8:14 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Help -- ammunition wanted!
> That's sad and bloody infuriating.
> But then again what good is reason & logic against fashion
> and trend in this greedy world we live in.
> This is true. I once went shopping with a Java programmer, he insisted
> a new snowboard (despite the fact the one he had still seemed to slip
> well).
> Well the shopkeeper was rather frustrated that he could not sell him a
> specific board that was obviously technically superior, you see
> "Java-Man" was insistent on having a board that looked good when held
> vertically in the ski lift queue - and to be honest it was probably
> sufficient for his boarding abilities.
> Its unfortunate in this world that trends are usually driven by
> "Java-Man" but then again entropy is increasing isnt it.
> Well of course the shopkeeper was a die hard engineer, but at the end
> of the day he too would will have to change his stock to suit the
> fashion of the season or go without feeding his family.
> The truth about Java is obvious, but what's more, people want
> jobs when
> leaving college, and more often these days it seems that one must have
> n years coding experience in a given flavour to be marketable, rather
> than be a good solid adaptable engineer, and in order to get thru the
> thicket of agencies who havent got a clue about what they are
> peddling.
> Agents are not qualified to guage how much of an engineer a candidate
> is - however they can count years of experience on their fingers and
> they can run a search engine through a resume database - thats about
> all they can do.
> I think a solution would be to teach those students of yours the
> benefits of using Java at the thin client end, and of using serious
> ada95 at the back end, teach them CORBA and how to plug it
> all together
> - teach them systems thinking.
> Dave C-M.
> --- [log in to unmask] wrote:
> > We have recently come under pressure to change our initial teaching
> > language for CS1 from Ada 95 to Java. Apparently this is the sexy
> > thing to do inspite of the poor/obscure C-like syntax, lack of a
> > language standard, poor compiler error messages,.....
> >
> > The plan appears to be to use an OO approach in Java from the start
> > although the Java textbooks which claim to use this approach seem to
> > me to place far too high a demand on the students.
> >
> > I would be grateful for pointers to any arguments and information
> > that
> > might be useful in resisting such a change.  Any Java horror stories
> > would be particularly welcome.
> >
> > Also if anyone has taught CS1 using Ada with an OO aproach from the
> > start, I would be interested in hearing of their experiences.
> >
> >    Dr. Alan Barnes
> >    Computer Science
> >    Aston University
> >    Aston Triangle
> >    Birmingham B4 7ET
> >    U. K.
> >
> >    Telephone: +44 121 359 3611 Ext. 4663
> >    E-Mail:  [log in to unmask]  (JANET)
> >    Fax:     +44 121 333 6215
> >
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