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Hello Michael,

> [miniflame alert]

[major flame retort]

> I find it quite amazing that someone as devoted to Ada as you are
> apparently isn't ready to pay $25. a year to join SIGAda. (It is
> NOT necessary to be an ACM member to join the SIG!)

Hold on for one second.  I am a member and it has taken ACM nearly
7 months to tell me what my member number was.  As a matter of fact
I just sent in my renewal.

> If you were a member, you'd have a copy already! AdaLetters lands
> in your mailbox every couple of months. Martin Carlisle is the
> current editor.

If that is true then why haven't I received a copy of this illustrious
document?  I joined back in November of last year and have not
received even a "welcome to the group" or "thanks for the money now
go away" letter.

> Yesterday I opined that we have enough organizations; several others
> said they didn't think SIGAda and ARA were enough.

With regards to getting Ada more visible and having real projects and
products that will appeal to the masses, then they aren't enough.

> I'd be more inclined to credit those objections if they came from
> people who
>
> - were members of SIGAda

This is where you made your first erroneous assumption.

> - tried to get involved with the SIGAda activities, especially
>   the various working groups

I can only do what I am either financially capable of doing or
logistically
able to do.  So is a lot of other people on this list.

> - were genuinely unsatisfied and tried without success to make
>   changes
>
> I've been a SIGAda member since sometimes in the 80s. No organization
> is perfect, but I find SIGAda to be a reasonable approximation to
> a good forum for Ada activities.

Just because you have been a member for such a long time doesn't entitle
you the rank of Ada Pope.  Sarcasm and deferential treatment is neither
wanted or appreciated.

> The last few years' of SIGada conference proceedings are on the web.

I made my first attempt today to access this resource, thanks to Martin
Carlisle.

> [flame off]

[major flame off]

Can we please stick to important matters.
--
Chris Sparks, Boeing
(714) 372 - 9791

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