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"Team Ada: Ada Advocacy Issues (83 & 95)" <[log in to unmask]>
"Carlisle, Martin" <[log in to unmask]>
Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:31:13 -0600
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"Carlisle, Martin" <[log in to unmask]>
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What do you mean by support?  My experience is that sure I can get non-Ada
stuff pretty cheap, but the "support" people never can answer any question
I've ever had.  The closest I've gotten on any support call is "yes, that's
a problem and we may have a solution for you in a month."  With ACT, I've
always gotten a workaround within 24 hours, or an explanation of what I was
doing wrong.


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 3:03 PM
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Subject: Re: How to provide Ada with the best possible GUI. was RE: Two

Yes, I've used gnat in the past and it was great. However our current
position is such that we need supported tools. We get a nice set of tools
with our OSs, all c. Anything for Ada costs extra. The cost estimates we've
gotten from various vendors has been incredibly high (yes, even for gnat
support) for DE's that we can aquire for much less using c/c--. We don't
want to write BSPs or port compilers, we just want the tools that will allow
us to get to solving our domain problems.

Personally I'd rather spend the money and get the better tools in Ada but I
can only recommend a course of action, not approve it. My management and
customers can't justify maintaining two languages. Tucker was out here
earlier this year to help promote the cause, but without a competitively
priced and supported Ada system we'll be headed down the dark road of c/c--.

Before everyone jumps on it, yes, I know in the long run the Ada tools are
more productive and cost effective. The problem is that it's difficult to
find any data that proves that point. Most reports and studies don't have
enough hard data on the benefits. I am a firm believer in Ada, half the
people here call me John Ada, and I never pass up an opportunity to show my
co-workers how Ada might have made a particular bit of SW better, faster, or
more robust. I want to keep Ada (after all, it makes my life easier) but the
way things are going it'll be a very tough sell.

John T Apa                              [log in to unmask]
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jacob Sparre Andersen [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 2:39 PM
> To:   Apa, John T. @ CSW-SLC
> Cc:   [log in to unmask]
> Subject:      Re: How to provide Ada with the best possible GUI. was RE:
> Two in
> John:
> > What is the time frame for such a thing? I'm fighting the perception
> that
> > Ada is to expensive and not mainstream enough. Anything that could give
> me
> > an ada development system ala gcc or similar would go a long way to at
> least
> > maintaining our Ada project.
> There is already an "ada development system ala gcc". Gcc
> compiles Ada too. If you want a ready-to-run version have
> a look at <URL:>.
> Good luck,
> Jacob
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