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Hi, Phil,

Visual C++ 6 IS the Microsoft standard for C++, just like Visual Basic 6
is also a Microsoft standard.  Now they are going to 7.  In one of the
larger
sessions, a survey was taken of languages used by the attendees, and there
was an obvious distinction between Visual C++ and C++, but then everyone
knows that.

Like all of us, Microsoft has a history to live with.  The standards
that they talked about at the conference in the sessions I attended
were things like XML 1.0, Posix .1, Posix .2, and System V UNIX.
As David pointed out in an earlier email, it sounds like they think
of supersets when they speak of standards.

From what exposure I've had to them, they do seem to be sending
representatives
to many of the standards activities (IEEE, ISO, W3C).  But they are also
into
developing their own (VB6, VB7, etc.).  Reminds me a little of DEC Ada
versus
Verdix Ada versus Alsys Ada (I'm thinking of the Ada83 days) ... remember
how
many Command Line Interface approaches we had then?

Rick
====================================
Richard Conn, Principal Investigator
Reuse Tapestry


-----Original Message-----
From: Team Ada: Ada Advocacy Issues (83 & 95)
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Brashear, Phil
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 7:20 AM
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Subject: Re: Leveraging MicroSoft's Marketing


If Microsoft is interested in standards compliance (their products and
practices certainly don't indicate that), then Visual C++ has got a lot of
changes overdue!  It adds to the standard and deviates from the standard in
areas so basic that I have to warn my (second-term) students about the
problems!

Philip W. Brashear
EDS Conformance Testing Center
4646 Needmore Road, Bin 46
P.O. Box 24593
Dayton, OH  45424-0593
(937) 237-4510
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-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Conn [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 12:05 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Leveraging MicroSoft's Marketing


Thanks ... that's not so bad, then.  You can just use the standard part
if you choose.  The way they talked, tho, they kept emphasizing standards
compliance.  I guess in their minds "standards compliance" meant that
supersets are OK, while in mine it doesn't.  Oh well.

====================================
Richard Conn, Principal Investigator
Reuse Tapestry


-----Original Message-----
From: David Botton [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 11:57 PM
To: Richard Conn; [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Leveraging MicroSoft's Marketing


Superset.

David Botton

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Conn" <[log in to unmask]>


> Very interesting ... I missed that.  They did not mention that at all at
the
> That's disappointing.  Have you used it enough to determine if we are
> looking
> at a superset of the standard or a deviation from the standard.

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