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Richard Conn <[log in to unmask]>
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Richard Conn <[log in to unmask]>
Tue, 1 Aug 2000 19:21:54 -0400
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Hi, Frank,

I already have a name at Aonix (not handy right now), and I understand that
they are coming out with another Special Edition.  I plan to work with them
to get it on the next ASE CDROM.

Richard Conn, Principal Investigator
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From: Team Ada: Ada Advocacy Issues (83 & 95)
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Beard, Frank
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 4:24 PM
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Subject: Re: The Pocket PC - a platform where Ada *should* have a


I'm not sure if David Wood was talking about Aonix or not (oops,
did I say that out loud), because I'm curious as to why they aren't
part of this list, or haven't responded.

Have you tried working with, or contacting, any of their people?

They have a pretty decent MS Windows development environment,
including a GUI builder (ObjectAda for Windows), and are probably
in the best position, of commercial vendors, to integrate in with
current/new MS technologies.  It seems like a short step for them to
move their current product from one MS platform to another.  Of
course, it always looks easier to those who aren't the ones having
to make it work.  Ed Falis mentioned in an earlier e-mail that they did
some early porting to WinCE 2.0.

Dave Wood, or Ed Falis, could probably give you the name of a
good contact at Aonix.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Conn [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 4:03 AM
> To:   [log in to unmask]
> Subject:      Re: The Pocket PC - a platform where Ada *should* have a
> presence
> Mike,
> As I said before, it's important to recognize and state the problem first.
> You are looking for solutions, but they don't come so easily in most
> cases.
> However, in this case, a solution is fairly obvious ... for us to become
> more involved in these activities.
> At Tech Ed 2000, there were 300 vendors, and none of them mentioned Ada
> (that I saw).  11,000 attendees, 300 vendors, and months of visibility
> afterwards thru post-conference messages and CDROMs.  Of the vendors (IBM,
> Compaq, Dell, HP, Construx, etc.), Rational Software Corporation did have
> a booth, touting themselves as an e-Commerce solution provider.  It seems
> there could have been at least one Ada compiler vendor with Ada compilers
> for Windows in a shrink-wrap package.
> Rick
> ====================================
> Richard Conn, Principal Investigator
> Reuse Tapestry
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Feldman [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 11:29 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Cc: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: The Pocket PC - a platform where Ada *should* have a
> presence
> [said Rick]
> >
> > Several people on this list have expressed an intolerance to Microsoft
> > (perhaps there is an analogy here again to those people conquered by
> > ancient Rome), but, unlike ancient Rome, we can better our position
> > by working with Microsoft rather than turning our backs on them.
> > We as a community are divided enough without drawing lines based
> > on one company.
> I couldn't agree more. But I'm still waiting to see some specific,
> constructive, suggestions for how we can actually do this. Do you
> have some, Rick?
> > It's not a single individual who can hold back the "Ada community"
> > -- but intolerance, a lack of being willing to listen to other ideas,
> > and a community culture that is not actively following technology
> > advancements and trends can hold us back and eventually kill us.
> I've followed this thread and think you are exaggerating. It is not
> intolerant, but simply a statement of reality, that Microsoft tries
> to impose its ways on everyone in the industry. Being honest about
> this is, IMHO, the best way to live with it and try to leverage on it.
> Some in this group will want to do this leveraging, others not, but
> you are badly mistaken to tar everyone with the same brush.
> It is also a distortion to say this community is not "actively
> following technology advancements and trends". Undoubtedly some
> are more steeped in Microsoft details than others, but your broad
> assertion that the "community" (whatever that is) is ignorant of
> the current state of technology (even of Microsoft technology
> specifically) is groundless, and verges on insulting our (collective)
> intelligence and experience. This is not an effective way to
> get action, Rick.
> It would be far better to state, concisely and constructively,
> just what your proposed solutions are, and indicate the extent
> to which you will participate along with any other "takers".
> > Rick
> Mike Feldman