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Hal,

It's unfortunate that SIGAda membership alone does not qualify
one for voting.  I can understand why ACM requires all elected
officers to be ACM members, but why disenfranchise SIGAda only
members.  Perhaps we could convince ACM to limit the ACM &
SIGAda requirement to office holders and allow all SIGAda members
to vote.

I'd like to see information about the duties & responsibilities,
time commitment & travel/meeting requirements for SIGAda officers
posted somewhere on the SIGAda web site.  In addition to these basic
questions, the contact info for the Nominations Chair (in this
case you) should be posted for the inevitable additional questions.

Thanks!
Rush
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hal Hart [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 8:51 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Call for Nominations & -Re: Ginger: A Question on
> Voting Rights
> for SIGAda Membership Categories
>
>
> ALL:  I saw that Ginger is gone for a few days, so I think I
> can answer the question about voting eligibility below.
> Only ACM members can vote.  The $53 (stupid) & $25 membership
> options do not qualify.  You have to pay your almost-$100 for
> basic ACM membership + SIGAda's $25 fee.  I am not sure
> whether or not student members of the ACM who also are student
> members of SIGAda get to vote, but I doubt this situation was
> being queried.
>
> Note that as Past SIGAda Chair, I am the 2001 SIGAda
> Nominations Committee Chair.  Before December, I need at
> least 2 candidates for each of (1) Chair, (2) Vice Chair for
> Meetings & Conference, (3) Vice Chair for Liaison,
> (4) Secretary, (5) Treasurer, and (6) International
> Representative.  The latter (6) must be a non-North-American
> resident.  I encourage private messages to me (please use
> [log in to unmask]) if you're interested or want to discussion
> responsibilities and likely effort commitments.  Or, suggest
> to me someone who you believe should be encouraged to run for
> office and I will follow up.
> HOWEVER, the same rules apply as for voting  --  you must be
> an ACM member to stand for SIGAda office.
> Note that current SIGAda Chair, Ben Brosgol, will automatically
> become the Past SIGAda Chair, a 7th voting member of the SIGAda
> Executive Committee.  (And I get to "retire" after 20 straight
> years on the SIGAda EC!  :-)
>
>       -Hal Hart, SIGAda Past Chair
>
>
> Currie Colket wrote:
>
> > Ginger:
> >
> > There have been several questions on the Team-Ada maillist
> > concerning which membership categories get to vote for
> > SIGAda Officers at our next election. As some of these
> > membership categories are relatively new, it would be best
> > if the answer came from ACM.
> >
> > SIGAda Membership Categories from the ACM Home Page
> > (accessed by "Join SIGAda via the ACM e-store" on the
> > SIGAda Home Page at http://www.acm.org/sigada/ are:
> >
> >         Member: $25.00             (Member of ACM)
> >         Nonmember: $53.00          (non-member of ACM)
> >         Student Member: $10.00
> >         SIG - only Member: $25.00  (non-member of ACM)
> >
> > We all know that an ACM Professional Member with membership
> > in SIGAda has the right to vote.
> >
> > Which of these other categories have the right to vote and
> > are sent ballots for the SIGAda Election to be held in 2001:
> >
> >         Nonmember?
> >
> >         Student Member?
> >
> >         SIG - only Member?
> >
> > Also, is voting privilege affected by ACM membership types,
> > such as ACM Associate Membership? Please see the attached
> > email for additional background on this question.
> >
> > Please reply your answer to all. Thank you in advance for
> > your help.
> >
> > v/r
> > Currie Colket
> > SIGAda Vice Chair for Meetings and Conferences
> >
> > Michael Feldman wrote:
> > >
> > > [Currie said]
> > > >
> > > > Dear David and Team Ada:
> > > >
> > > > This thread discussing SIGAda has been interesting and thought
> > > > provoking.
> > >
> > > [snip]
> > >
> > > This is a _great_ rundown on the structure and state of SIGAda.
> > > I agree that this needs to be distilled and published on
> > > the website.
> > >
> > > I have just one question:
> > > >
> > > > ACM conducts the elections. Only ACM Professional
> > > Members have the right
> > > > to vote (i.e., Associate members who join at a reduced
> > > fee, do not have
> > > > this right).
> > >
> > > The above is not clear. Historically, "Associate Member" has meant
> > > "a member of another technical society". For example, my
> > > ACM membership
> > > allows me to be a member of the IEEE Computer Society
> > > (IEEE-CS) (at a
> > > reduced, but still high, dues:-)). Personally, I am not a
> > > member of the
> > > full _IEEE_, so I have no member privileges (e.g. no
> > > vote) at that level.
> > > However, I _do_ have voting privileges for _IEEE-CS_ officers.
> > >
> > > AFAIK, IEEE does _not_ allow people who are not IEEE
> > > members, or Associates under this reciprocity, to join their
> > > societies like IEEE-CS. OTOH, ACM now allows people to _just_
> > > join a SIG.
> > >
> > > OK, now to the present case. Hypothesize that I am NOT an
> > > ACM member, and NOT an ACM Associate Member (by the above
> > > definition), but I _am_ a dues-paying member of _SIGAda_.
> > > (This is allowed under current ACM rules!)
> > >
> > > Can I vote in the _SIGAda_ election? I hope so!
> > >
> > > Mike Feldman

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