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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:07:08 -0400
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Interesting, Jim,

And what comic book did you get this information from?  Responses interwoven

Richard Conn, Principal Investigator
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From: Team Ada: Ada Advocacy Issues (83 & 95)
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Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 7:45 PM
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Subject: Re: Standards

At 7:44 AM -0500 7/18/00, Crispen, Bob wrote:
>If you're intending to claim that Microsoft doesn't document
>their API thoroughly, I think you'll find a lot of skepticism.

Only if you don't work on apps that compete with microsoft.  most
writers of word processors, spreadsheets, email etc complain that
microsoft uses hidden api calls to get unfair advantages in their

Where did you get this idea?  MOST?  I guess I missed the complaints
from the 11,000 developers at Tech Ed 2000 through the noise of
of all the information going out to help them develop apps for Windows
platforms.  The hidden API calls were an issue at one time - not now.

>d, so they do their very best to treat their developers

again unless microsoft wakes up and decideds it wants that developers
market, then they run them out of buisness if they cant buy them out.

I guess the 300 vendors at the conference were all owned by Microsoft.
When did Microsoft buy IBM, HP, Compaq, and Dell?

The conference was all about providing software developers from ALL
with tools to help them do their jobs.  I brought back 40 free CDROMs of
The conference was also about building bridges ... from meeting the
teams in person to eating steak/lobster/crab to having parties at places
Universal Studios to getting prizes like laptops and even a BMW Z3 Roadster.

The picture of misinformation you paint, Jim, is from the point of view of a
person not a part of this.  Go to one of your local Microsoft events and
see what is going on.  Your picture might change.

>Are there "secret" APIs that only Microsoft people know about?
>Yup.  Would you ever want to use them in an application
>program?  Nope.  Unless you're developing an AdaScript
>interpreter for Excel ;-)

yes if you were writing a competitor for excel!

If you wish to strive for peace of soul then believe;
if you wish to be a devotee of truth, then inquire.
    -- Friedrich Nietzsche