Access is free, but you do have to release some personal info (or lie about it). http://www10.nytimes.com/library/98/07/biztech/articles/30email-flaw.html The good news is that it recognizes a serious flaw in C/C++ (lack of range-checking). The bad news is that it says the only solution is Java but Java is too slow. (not the exact words, but pretty close). -- Wes Groleau http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wgroleau