> but aren't the students of today somewhat a different bunch
>since they grew up with computers. I would expect they already
>had some experience doing AppleScript or whatever the
>equivalent is in Microsoft-land.
My 11th grader is learning programming on his TI graphics
calculator. So far as I know, neither Ada nor VB is available
on it. Are kids with that kind of experience (and habits)
becoming the Freshman norm?
Re VB as a quick attractant for students: have you tried any
of the Ada GUI builders? It seems they also should allow a new
student to build something with buttons and lights rather