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Sender: "Team Ada: Ada Advocacy Issues (83 & 95)" <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:06:57 -0500
Reply-To: Stephen Leake <[log in to unmask]>
From: Stephen Leake <[log in to unmask]>
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"Robin P. Reagan" <[log in to unmask]> writes:

> How about changing the address of the list so that any references to the old
> list would be bounced.

We'd risk losing a lot of people on each transition; I assume we'd
change the name again when the spammers find the new name.

Also, I'm not clear that the problem is the "longevity" of the list; I
suspect it is more that current spam tools can find it and send to it.
So I suspect simply changing the name won't help much. But I have no
data to support this view.

Moving to a less popular/visible server might help, but that also
loses audience.

> The problem with a "subscribers only" list is that I have several
> aliases used to deliver mail to my mail box, including one for
> team-ada. I use these as anti-spam tools (see address of this email)
> so that I can give a valid address to locations on the web (or as a
> reply-to address) that need them but I never send mail from these
> alias accounts. If that address starts getting spam I can just
> remove the alias and I'm done with it. Some email clients allow
> multiple "personalities" which works well with this, but not all do.

I'm not clear why a "subscribers-only" policy interferes with your
policy.

If you subscribe to team-ada as [log in to unmask], you can
post.

Ah, you said "I never send mail from these alias accounts". So you
don't _want_ to post as 'robin-team-ada', because then spammers will
see that address.

I guess the mechanism for enforcing "subscribers-only" requires a valid
"from" address in the mail message.

Can the mailing list server strip all "from" addresses, so a spammer
never sees them?

I'm not clear on exactly how a spammer gets an email address from this
list; it seems they have to subscribe?

One solution is to use a news interface instead of a mail list
interface (you don't need to put a valid email address in the "from"
field of a news message). But that has another set of problems; some
ISPs do not provide news servers, so many people do not have access to
news.

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-- Stephe

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