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Dan Baysinger <[log in to unmask]>
Fri, 5 May 2000 19:18:00 -0500
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I don't believe being "nice" in the context of this forum is going to
have much to do with people deciding to use Ada.

I also work for Boeing ... if Chad did, he might have a little more
sympathy for John's (quite understandable) frustration.  John has been
an Ada advocate within Boeing for a number of years.  But I'm sure that,
at times, he wonders if anyone has listened.

Dan Baysinger    "These are my opinions, not Boeing's"

Boeing Software Tool Administrator
(former Ada instructor and embedded system developer)
B-1B Program
Tinker AFB, OK


> Chad Bremmon wrote:
>
> It's amazing to me how we get some good ada "press" and we still
> complain that it's not good enough.
>
> Maybe if we in the Ada community could be "nice" we'd have a better
> following.
>
> Chad
> > ---------------------------------------------
> > Chad Bremmon   =| :-)
> > Senior Consultant
> > Armstrong Consulting, Inc.
> > 511 Second Street, Suite 100
> > Hudson, WI  54016
> > (715) 386-3666          (800) 575-4160
> > (715) 386-3665          (612) 282-3199  cell
> > http://www.armstrongconsulting.com
> >       "enabling high performance e-development"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Harbaugh, John S [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 3:12 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: F-22? Ada can do!
>
> Great, it's easy to port Ada83 to and Ada95 compiler.  Big deal!
> There is absolutely no mention of Ada's support for their million line
> system, reduced defect rates, or worker productivity.  I got the
> impression that they used Ada 'cause they were told to.  As is typical
> of the modern manager/coach, they are much more interested is team
> interaction and migration plans than the technology.
>
> Just my two cents, and certainly not the views or opinions of The
> Boeing Company.  ;-)
>
>         - John Harbaugh
>
> > ----------
> > From:         Criley, Marc A[SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> > Reply To:     Criley, Marc A
> > Sent:         Friday, May 05, 2000 11:05 AM
> > To:   [log in to unmask]
> > Subject:      F-22? Ada can do!
> >
> > The topic of this month's edition of Crosstalk
> > (http://www.stsc.hill.af.mil/crosstalk/crostalk.asp) is "F-22 Into
> the
> > Future". The article on "F-22 Software Risk Reduction" by Beverly
> Moody, the
> > Avionics Software Block Lead,   covers a broad range of topics and
> says this
> > about Ada:
> >
> > "Ada 83 will continue to be the primary language used on the F-22
> (80-85
> > percent) for the foreseeable future since much of the code is
> already
> > complete. Some teams are looking at migrating their Ada 83 code to
> Ada 95
> > since most of the new compilers are based on Ada 95.  To date,
> needed source
> > code changes have been trivial and the migrations fairly
> straightforward.
> > The promise of the portability of Ada has been validated by several
> > programs."
> >
> > That last line is just one of those nice, matter-of-fact Ada-can-do
> > statements that one likes to see :-)
> >
> > Marc A. Criley
> > Software Architect
> > Lockheed Martin M&DS
> >

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