At 5:17 PM -0500 3/18/00, Michael Feldman wrote: >For example, in the 2 months or so since I started soliciting info >about _defense_ projects for the project list on the web, I received >over _60_ responses, most of which contained pointers to websites. >I have gotten only a few for non-defense projects, and most of those >are in the defense-like space domain inhabited by NASA and ESA. > >(http://www.seas.gwu.edu/~mfeldman/ada-project-summary.html) > Mike looking at your list i see the B1 listed as Ada project. i worked on a flight sim for b1 as it was being built called Engineering Research Sim that was the first available training sim for the b1. we built it concurrently with the plane. Anyway i spent a fair amount of time studying Boeing docs for the avionics software, and was at Boeing Seattle once and spend some time in their test labs. The avionics software is pretty much contemporary with the beginnings of Ada as it was written in like 83/84 time frame, and as i recall the Avionics software was jovial not ada. same for the ALQ161 EW suite. its not impossible they have switched out computers and rewritten the software. Where did you hear it was ada project? also you are missing the army's Common Ground Station done by Motorola. they are now doing C++ but there is still 200+ KSLOC of Ada in the system. I know as i just finished porting all of it from rational to gnat. Interesting note, i have listened to them complain for years about how slow Ada was compared to c/c++ to compile. well now they are also porting to the Solaris c++ compiler that's part of Solaris 7. interestingly enough the gnat compiler now compiles about 5 times faster than the c++! the Postload Systems Trainer which is a weapons load maintenance trainer for the B-1. (teaches people how to load weapons into the B1, and to check them out using the on board avionics) done by SAIC about 1985 or so. Our ERS flight sim was FORTRAN unfortunately as ada was brand new then and the compilers just were not available. Advanced Helmet Mounted Display Electronics done by SAIC which is an experimental system for a helmet mounted display system for the cockpit done in about 86 time frame by SAIC. The F-16 Unit Training Device (UTD) is largely Ada as well. the UTD is a low cost F-16 flight trainer (approx 700k) it was done by Hughes Training which became Raytheon i belive in its latest home. its host is SGI onyx, developed in early 90's. (SAIC did the radar sim for it) Austrailian Air force's F111 flight trainer is also ada. (again SAIC did the radar) platform was SGI Onyx. done approx 1996/7 you got our radar simulation thanks. Jim -- If you wish to strive for peace of soul then believe; if you wish to be a devotee of truth, then inquire. -- Friedrich Nietzsche