Thanks Frank, that's the one!

Alan, track that down, it's a good one!

Marc

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Beard, Frank [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 12:34 PM
> To:   'Criley, Marc A'; [log in to unmask]
> Subject:      RE: Help -- ammunition wanted!
>
> I don't know if this is the article Marc was talking about:
>
> Ada Letters Volume XVIII Number 5 September/October 1998
>
> "A Comparison of Ada and Java as a Foundation Teaching Language"
> by Ben Brosgol.
>
> Frank
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:       Criley, Marc A [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent:       Friday, March 10, 2000 7:54 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject:    Re: Help -- ammunition wanted!
> >
> > (I hate it when people cite references they can't explicitly
> > identify, but I'll violate my own rule in this case...)
> >
> > A recent issue of Ada Letters had an "Ada vs Java for CS
> > Education" article published in it.  I don't have the issue
> > here at work, so I can't tell you the date, but it was within
> > the last 2-3 years.
> >
> > Marc A. Criley
> > Lockheed Martin M&DS
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [log in to unmask] [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> > > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 7:02 AM
> > > To:   [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject:      Help -- ammunition wanted!
> > >
> > > We have recently come under pressure to change our initial teaching
> > > language for CS1 from Ada 95 to Java. Apparently this is the sexy
> > > thing to do inspite of the poor/obscure C-like syntax, lack of a
> > > language standard, poor compiler error messages,.....
> > >
> > > The plan appears to be to use an OO approach in Java from the start
> > > although the Java textbooks which claim to use this approach seem to
> > > me to place far too high a demand on the students.
> > >
> > > I would be grateful for pointers to any arguments and information that
> > > might be useful in resisting such a change.  Any Java horror stories
> > > would be particularly welcome.
> > >
> > > Also if anyone has taught CS1 using Ada with an OO aproach from the
> > > start, I would be interested in hearing of their experiences.
> > >
> > >    Dr. Alan Barnes
> > >    Computer Science
> > >    Aston University
> > >    Aston Triangle
> > >    Birmingham B4 7ET
> > >    U. K.
> > >
> > >    Telephone: +44 121 359 3611 Ext. 4663
> > >    E-Mail:  [log in to unmask]  (JANET)
> > >    Fax:     +44 121 333 6215