Despite Ada's disappearance from an "official" place at STC, the general sense of the people I saw was that Ada was at least spiritually "back" (if it ever left), and perceived as being one of various useful technologies. There was no apparent religious backlash against Ada. It was seen as a good tool for building reliable systems. I can believe that the DoD officialdom is still smarting from the general Ada history, but the rest of the world seems to be getting on with life. Ada vendors continue to sell a healthy number of Ada compilers, now more than a year after the mandate was dropped. Compilers and environments continue to improve in ease of use and overall quality. Important platforms are being supported, and a wider range of users are finding Ada useful. If anything, I think we should be upbeat that Ada continues to be there as a solid performer, even as other languages are hyped up and then fall out of favor. I would begin to ignore DoD officialdom as it relates to Ada. Certainly many people are switching from Ada to C++ or Java. But also many others are not, and new people are discovering Ada. I am not trying to be a "Pollyanna" here, but we keep hearing that the bottom is going to drop out of the Ada market "any day now," and it hasn't happened. If anything, the "doom and gloom" serves to demoralize users of Ada. Certainly there is more we can be doing in terms of promoting Ada, but clearly the best thing to do is to "just use it" (as Nike would say ;-) and succeed in so doing. The Ada compiler vendors have done their primary jobs in my view, namely producing quality compilers, and at least some of them have figured out how to create a sales force that knows how to sell them and make money in the process. In my view, they are not under any obligation to "grow" the overall Ada market, presuming they are successfully growing their own revenues and profits. Nevertheless, they have chosen to band together and form ARA, and at least part of the ARA's mission is to spread the word on Ada and grow the overall market, while another part is to support the existing users in various ways (e.g. validation, standardization, website resources, etc.). As users, our primary job is to use Ada where it is the right technology, and make noise when we succeed. And hopefully enjoy the process. We don't have to convince the entire world to use Ada, even if it would do them good (I feel like a broccoli grower ;-). -Tucker Taft [log in to unmask]