Yes, but has anyone seen an ISO C++ compliant compiler without any special "features"? I certainly haven't, gcc is probably the closest thing. The ISO c++ standard is a farse. No one in the C++ world really cares about the standard from what I can tell, everyone picks a compiler and then that is their standard. From my perspective VisualC++ is the windows standard, with gcc being the sun/linux standard. Official or not VB and visual c++ are de facto standards among most IT and apps builders. Standards live forever, official or not. Hence the space shuttle's reliance on the width of the roman chariots. Let's face it MS is not going anywhere regardless of the court's decision. Isolating ourselves from them when they clearly command a lot of attention in the language selection arean is not a great survival plan. My 2 cents... > -----Original Message----- > From: Geoff Bull [SMTP:[log in to unmask]] > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 12:52 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Leveraging MicroSoft's Marketing > > Richard Conn wrote: > > Visual C++ 6 IS the Microsoft standard for C++, > The only standard I know of for C++ comes from ISO. > > > >just like Visual Basic 6 is also a Microsoft standard. > There ain't no VB standard.