Most of this thread revolves around the Microsoft product world. Given this it is most telling to recall two of Bill Gate's statements on Microsoft products and standards. About 7 or 8 years ago, after being raked over the coals for not adhering to the ANSI C standard, Bill Gates stated that "Microsoft does not follow standards, We set them." Recently, after being raked over the coals for failing to adhere to the Web standards in Internet Explorer 5, Bill Gates stated that "Microsoft will follow standards when it is in our interest." Enough said. Phil Johnson