It's not really MS marketing hype I'm looking at. It's Microsoft's movements and partnerships. For example: Microsoft and Time Warner - Cable TV converters Microsoft and General Motors - Auto PCs Microsoft and Casio, HP, Symbol, and Compaq - Pocket PCs, including new industrial-strength lines with barcode scanners Microsoft and General Electric - Home Networking and Computing (including microwaves, toasters, and so on) Microsoft and Lockheed - CVN-77 Aircraft Carrier Looks like Microsoft is crossing into a lot of embedded territory here. I understand your need to not disclose proprietary data and issues, including future plans, but it looks to me like the Ada community will really be missing the boat if compilers for Windows CE 3.x don't emerge very, very soon. Without them, Ada moves from an "also ran" to a "never ran" in these domains ... while Microsoft already has free (at least they gave them away at Tech Ed 2000) Visual Basic and Visual C++ cross-compilers and debuggers for these platforms. Rick ==================================== Richard Conn, Principal Investigator Reuse Tapestry -----Original Message----- From: Team Ada: Ada Advocacy Issues (83 & 95) [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of [log in to unmask] Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 3:18 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Ada is very sick and getting worse Rick, I think you mistakes MS marketing hype with the real world. Have you seen the latest figures from market research in EmbSys? How big a share has MS tools & tech? I do not think there is a need to "panic" for Ada or other SW Engineering focused folks. Are ..anyone doing something about it..? Yep, you might even be surprised; but we do not run around and brag about it - actually my company's policy is not to reveal anything externally of what we are doing or how. I believe that other companies have the same policy. /soren Soeren Henssel-Rasmussen Nokia Mobile Phones -- Hi, Everyone, -- -- To kind of see where I have been going with this discussion on standards -- and Microsoft technologies, consider this: -- -- 1. We all know Ada is very sick in terms of people adopting it. It seems to -- have found its niche in the embedded world (like our airplanes) and not -- much else. -- 2. Microsoft is entering the embedded world big-time with its embedded visual -- tools. Devices like Auto PCs (for automobiles), Pocket PCs (including -- ruggedized versions with bar scanners), and the like are emerging, and -- these are being programmed in Visual Basic and Visual C++. These are places -- where Ada could be making inroads. -- -- Is anyone doing something about this situation? Are there any Ada compilers for -- the Windows CE platform? Are there any plans for such compilers? -- -- I'm personnally finding Microsoft technologies to meet more and more of my needs. -- This is translating into less and less of a need to continue with Ada. The material -- I've offered this group (the Tech Ed 2000 trip report and Windows 2000 Launch report) -- shows just some of the directions in which Microsoft is moving, and some of these -- directions are areas where Ada used to be a prime candidate. -- -- Rick -- ==================================== -- Richard Conn, Principal Investigator -- Reuse Tapestry