[said Rick]
>
> Several people on this list have expressed an intolerance to Microsoft
> (perhaps there is an analogy here again to those people conquered by
> ancient Rome), but, unlike ancient Rome, we can better our position
> by working with Microsoft rather than turning our backs on them.
> We as a community are divided enough without drawing lines based
> on one company.

I couldn't agree more. But I'm still waiting to see some specific,
constructive, suggestions for how we can actually do this. Do you
have some, Rick?

> It's not a single individual who can hold back the "Ada community"
> -- but intolerance, a lack of being willing to listen to other ideas,
> and a community culture that is not actively following technology
> advancements and trends can hold us back and eventually kill us.

I've followed this thread and think you are exaggerating. It is not
intolerant, but simply a statement of reality, that Microsoft tries
to impose its ways on everyone in the industry. Being honest about
this is, IMHO, the best way to live with it and try to leverage on it.

Some in this group will want to do this leveraging, others not, but
you are badly mistaken to tar everyone with the same brush.

It is also a distortion to say this community is not "actively
following technology advancements and trends". Undoubtedly some
are more steeped in Microsoft details than others, but your broad
assertion that the "community" (whatever that is) is ignorant of
the current state of technology (even of Microsoft technology
specifically) is groundless, and verges on insulting our (collective)
intelligence and experience. This is not an effective way to
get action, Rick.

It would be far better to state, concisely and constructively,
just what your proposed solutions are, and indicate the extent
to which you will participate along with any other "takers".

> Rick

Mike Feldman