Hi, Jim,

Your position sounds more emotional than logical for a number of reasons,
but that's not the issue, really.  The point really is that my move in
this direction will not stop anyone from collaborating if they wish,
and, as a volunteer, this move will put a pretty good supporting
infrastructure
under me that greatly reduces my overhead and workload while simultaneously
increasing the level of collaboration that is possible.  I made an honest
attempt
to find a way to adapt this infrastructure while satisfying everyone,
including
the 5% that does not use Microsoft technology, and did not find a solution
in
a reasonable amount of time.

If you can find an equivalent supporting infrastructure with the same level
of functionality and ease of use that addresses the entire audience, I'm
interested
in hearing about it.  Good luck.

Rick
====================================
Richard Conn, Principal Investigator
Reuse Tapestry


-----Original Message-----
From: jim hopper [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 1:36 PM
To: Richard Conn; [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: R_Conn invites you to join ASE LIBRARY, an MSN Web
Community


At 4:53 PM -0400 7/5/00, Richard Conn wrote:
>Thanks for the update, Steve,
>
>It's looking more and more like users are at least at a partial
disadvantage
>if
>they use Netscape.  In this weekend's experiments, we could not find any
way
>to
>use Netscape in the Community Chat Room (altho there is a Netscape add-in
>for


what else is new!

>chat.msn.com, but that's not the same).  However, service was very reliable
>(probably partially due to a load drop over the July 4 holiday).  Some of
us
>had 3 hours worth of Chat Room time non-stop without interruption.
>
>Hopefully, being driven to Microsoft technologies for this site won't drive
>anyone away.  Besides, there is always direct contact, but the resources of
>the Community take a lot of the work of collaboration away.

Sorry i don't see the point of having to change my whole way of doing
business on the internet just to be part of this.  not to mention if
you are on a unix box you have no choice but to use netscape.  so yes
at least for me (and 2 or 3 other people i know) this will keep us
from collaborating.  to me its not collaboration if i have to be
coorced into using the tools someone else prefers.  its your site and
you are perfectly free (and i am sure will) disregard this ;-)

jim





>Thanks again,
>Rick
>====================================
>Richard Conn, Principal Investigator
>Reuse Tapestry
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Team Ada: Ada Advocacy Issues (83 & 95)
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Stephen Schwarm
>Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 9:43 AM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: R_Conn invites you to join ASE LIBRARY, an MSN Web
>Community
>
>
>Richard Conn wrote:
>>
>>  Hi, Jim,
>>
>>  What kind of problem led you to that conclusion?  I carefully checked
out
>>  the
>>  site from a UNIX system running Netscape, and it worked fine.  I know of
>at
>>  least
>>  one UNIX/Netscape user who has joined the community.
>>
>>  >From what I've been able to tell, you have to use Microsoft
technologies
>to
>>  MANAGE these communities, but you do not need them to JOIN and
>participate.
>>
>>  Rick
>>  ====================================
>>  Richard Conn, Principal Investigator
>>  Reuse Tapestry
>>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>>  From: Team Ada: Ada Advocacy Issues (83 & 95)
>>  [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of jim hopper
>>  Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2000 9:58 AM
>>  To: [log in to unmask]
>>  Subject: Re: R_Conn invites you to join ASE LIBRARY, an MSN Web
>>  Community
>>
>>  thanks for the invite, but either the url below is wrong or its as
>>  usual with MS windows only.
>>
>>  jim
>>
>>  At 6:18 AM -0700 7/1/00, User @ MSN Web Communities wrote:
>>  >R_Conn invites you to join the following MSN Web Community:
>>  >
>>  >ASE Library
>>  >Description: The Ada and Software Engineering (ASE) Library is a
>>  >free resource to the Software Development (all languages, but
>>  >particularly Ada) and Software Engineering communities. It contains
>>  >over 2G bytes of material.
>>  >
>>  >R_Conn wrote you this personal note:
>>  >
>>  >You are cordially invited to visit and/or join the ASE Library
>>  >Community on the Microsoft Network. You can keep up to date with
>>  >events, such as the next ASE CDROM distribution, and participate in
>>  >the collaboration.
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
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>I had a little trouble with Netscape 4.7 on a Sun but I did get it to
>work.  I got a bunch of 404 errors but it would the find the page on the
>next try.  I do have a fast connection so that my have something to do
>with it.  I'll have to try it from home.
>
>I probably doesn't work any better with IE :-)
>
>Steve

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