>The point I was trying to make is that Java fans are eager
>to assert that Java is ready for prime time, but when
>they're given a choice of a Java application for their own
>code development (i.e., a mission critical application),
>they choose something else.

This is not a valid assumption.  The reason that FORTE isn't used is because
other development tools have been around for quite awhile.  Developer are
therefore accustomed to them and in my case I do not have the free time to
evaluate a new tool.

>Granted, everyone may hate Forte as much as I hate Sun's


In as much as everyone I have a reply from said they had not tried it, you
are make another invalid assumption.  Only "bashers" would assume the
everyone who had not tried a tool did son because they hated.

>that Forte is, afaik, the only free IDE for Java, and given
>the number of Java developers who don't have lots of money
>available for tools, the empty seats in front of Forte seem
>kind of significant.

Never mind this thread is useless.

To answer Pascal's query as to why there have been so many "unsubscribe",
read the links for this and the licensing threads.

If anyone has comments about my comments please take them off of the
Team-Ada group and send them to me personally.

Phil Johnson
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