Currently at the University of Northern Iowa, students learn Ada in their first and second programming courses. The third course they take is "Object-Oriented Programming with Java". And the fourth course is Algorithms. In the algorithms course, students may use any language they want. Both the OO/Java course and Algorithms course are taught by anti-Ada faculty. This semester I learned through a student taking the Algorithms course that no student is using Java. A few are using C or C++ , one is using PERL , and the rest are using Ada. I find fact that none are using Java particularly enlightening as Java is the last language with which they had significant programming work. Just a lone but intriguing data point. John ------------------------------------------------------- John W. McCormick [log in to unmask] Computer Science Department [log in to unmask] University of Northern Iowa voice (319) 273-6056 Cedar Falls, IA 50614-0507 fax (319) 273-7123 http://www.cs.uni.edu/~mccormic/