"Crispen, Bob" wrote: > I simply ask our Java fans: do you use Forte? Nope. I've never tried it. I use Visual Cafe at work and JBuilder at home. I've never heard anything good or bad about it. I assume that you think it sucks? Gary -- Gary Kephart, Software Engineer | eMotion, Inc. Phone: (310)914-2771 | 11835 West Olympic, Suite 1000 Fax: (310)479-8480 | Los Angeles, CA 90064 mailto:[log in to unmask] | http://www.emotion.com Team Ada member | "Digital Media Management" Disclaimer: these are my opinions, not eMotion's.