A team of us are working on porting gnat to mac os x. we are making slow progress. we are getting a lot of questions from people to our individual mail so we have set up a mailing lists thru the kind help of Mike Feldman of GWU. Apple computer is also providing a pointer to the public list for those who want to be kept informed of status. we will try to keep status reports to a low volume. but you can ask questions volunteer help etc here by posting as well. you can join through apples web site: http://www.lists.apple.com/cgi-bin/mwf/board_show.pl?id=3&pg=2 best jim