Check out http://www.seas.gwu.edu/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/adajobs/browse.cgi The most recent job was posted for the US is in Houston, TX (posted 11/15/01) > -----Original Message----- > From: Suzie Cube [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 4:30 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Future with Ada > > > Having relocated just over a year ago, I find myself once > again in the job > market (a post-9-11 layoff). > > I am finding that most, if not all, the Ada jobs will require another > relocation. I had hoped that that would not be the case in > the Dallas/Fort > Worth Metroplex. Lockheed Martin cites no language in their > JSF postings, > and conversations here (cla) indicate it's not Ada. (It would be a > relocation, too, from east Dallas 'burb, to west FW company, > but that's > o.k.) Other companies appear to have converted to other > languages or sent > their Ada work elsewhere... or just aren't hiring now. > > www.flipdog.com and www.headhunter.net seem to be better than > www.monster.com, but the boards at AdaIC are not very helpful > (few jobs, out > of date). It would certainly help to match Ada-friendly > companies with the > qualified Ada programmers they need if there was more > up-to-date information > there (or somewhere!) > > In the meantime, if someone out there wants to get a finder's fee for > referring a dyed-in-the-wool-Ada-fanatic... er, ahem, experienced Ada > software engineer... (veteran of JUG, AdaJUG, AdaTec, SIGAda, > Ada Follies > Working Group...), well, you know where I am. > > PS Norby > > "Richard Riehle" <[log in to unmask]> wrote in message > news:3C0924D6.2B5A3087@adaworks.com... > > "ben@NO_SPAM_EMAIL" wrote: > > > > > That is funny. It is almost impossible to find any Ada > wanted ads these > days. > > > Actually there are more openings for almost any other > language than for > Ada. > > > > > > Can you point to ONE commerical Ada opening right now > that requires no > > > active security clearance in the US? I bet you there is none. > > > > Over and over, we encounter companies who, after deciding > to use Ada for > > its technological advantages, cannot hire qualified Ada > programmers. Our > > most recent experience was a company in Silicon Valley. > They were excited > > about using Ada, asked us to train some of the people, and > then tried to > hire > > more programmers to do Ada. They found it nearly > impossible to find > > people with experience in their domain, sufficient > mathematics, and lots > > of experience in Ada. Sadly, they finally decided to use > C++ because it > > was so much easier to find programmers. > > > > We encounter this same problem with DoD contractors. One > reason I am > given > > by major DoD software developers, for their choice of C++ > is availability > > of personnel. Often they admit the superiority of Ada but > justify their > choice > > of C++ or Java on the basis of the difficulty of hiring Ada > programmers. > > > > In those same organizations, many programmers don't want to > program in Ada > > because they see few commercial opportunities for that > skill. These > programmers > > don't care whether Ada is a better language. They care > about the future > of their > > career. The companies don't care whether Ada is superior > to C++. They > > often admit it is. They do care about being able to hire > people who want > to > > program in Ada. > > > > One can dismiss this as a "chicken and egg" problem. > However, it is a > problem > > that needs solving. There are still a few brave non-DoD > managers out > there who > > are > > enjoying the benefits of Ada and would choose nothing else. > This kind of > > enlightenment is not as widespread as we might like. > > > > If the DoD had not given the impression of abandoning Ada > when it did, we > might > > be a lot further ahead. Yes, I know, abandonment was not > the intention > of the > > letter that abrogated the mandate, but that is how it is widely > interpreted by both > > > > DoD contractors and commercial organizations that might > have chosen it. > We > > need to raise the visibility of Ada in the media, and among > our non-Ada > colleagues. > > > > At present, no one is making any effective effort to make > Ada visible and > attactive > > > > to the larger software community. Nothing is being done > to promote it > among the > > software managers at DoD contractor sites, not to mention > the non-DoD > sites. > > > > Those commercial organizations who have chosen Ada have done so on > > the basis of their own wisdom. They benefit from that > choice and rarely > see the > > benefit of proseletyzing their competitors. > > > > As a technology, I believe Ada is still a better choice for > many software > domains. > > It is going to take something more than better technology > to make the > difference. A > > > > long time ago, Ralph Crafts was a powerful spokesman for > the industry. He > finally > > gave up, recognizing that his "voice in the wilderness" was > not being as > > appreciated > > as it should have been. No one has stepped in to take > over the work > Ralph was > > doing. If someone has stepped in, they are not making > themselves or Ada > visible. > > > > Richard Riehle > > >