Maybe this is just a European perspective, but I don't think things are nearly as black for Ada as the majority of posts have implied. I can think of a dozen or so new-start Ada projects without straining too hard. We were even involved in a new-start Ada 83 project very recently (please don't ask why this strange choice was made!). Furthermore, I detect a real swing back from the "language doesn't matter, use COTs, hack it together (in a CMM Level 5 hacking shop, of course)" mentality. Some of this is being driven by the security world, especially post 9/11, who under the auspices of the "common criteria" are obliged to take a more rigorous approach to software integrity. It is also revealing the way my Crosstalk article "Correctness by Construction - Better Can Also Be Cheaper*" was picked up and quoted in the opening keynote address at this year's STC conference by Lloyd K Moseman of SAIC: he made a particular point about the need to restore engineering discipline to the software world. I have also had a terrific response to that article, from people who have had enough of the process dominated approaches of recent years. In this environment, it is essential that Ada advocates keep fighting and don't let the weaker solutions get chosen by default. - Stress the risk of choosing poorer technologies. - Point out that current ways of working don't exactly have a glowing reputation for effectiveness. - Tell the pointy-haired managers they might go to jail if they knowingly ignore a proven better technology and then get something wrong. - If there is a staff shortage, train people. - If people don't think Ada is worth learning then pay good Ada engineers more until it _is_ attractive to learn (this makes sound business sense given the proven quality and productivity increases Ada brings). regards Peter * available on www.sparkada.com ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. www.praxis-cs.co.uk **********************************************************************