Wes, >> It's disappointing to say the least, but >> I'm going down the c++ path. I'm not doing >> any conversion, simply identifying key >> functionality and redesigning it in c++ >> on an as needed basis. >To each his own. Java, I can tolerate, >(just barely) but if C++ were my only option, >I would leave the software industry. Oh, java has problems: 1. deficiency of Java is lack of generics / templates. 2. is the lack of operator overloading 3. The "java performance" oxymoron seen everywhere. 4. Have you read this article, for example? http://www.holub.com/javaone/holub_threads.pdf (...) By that I am not saying that C++ is better. Regards, Wojtek