> Interesting is that the retention rate with the [Java plus] hacking approach has been > only half of that with the [Ada plus] SE approach. So my upper division courses are > getting a lot smaller. Is it possible (speculating) that the power of Ada vs. the flaws of Java means that in spite of the glamor of Applets and graphics, it takes a higher degree of innate talent to get the job done with Java? If so, then you may actually be turning out _better_ graduates. :-) -- Wes Groleau http://AFATDS/~wwgrol http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~wgroleau/Wes