Also in the FWIW category: Calvin offers a 4-year BSE (Bachelor of Science in Engineering):

Itís a general engineering degree with concentrations in Chemical, Civil/Environmental, Electrical/Computer, and Mechanical Engineering. Students in the program take the same set of courses their first two years and then take specialty courses for their concentrations their final two years.


-Joel Adams.

On Mar 17, 2016, at 3:13 PM, Scot Drysdale <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

For what it is worth, Dartmouth offers a Bachelor of Arts major in Engineering.  To get a B.E. normally takes an additional year.

Scot Drysdale

On Mar 17, 2016, at 9:04 AM, Douglas Baldwin <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

There was some really good discussion about what "liberal arts" means that now seems to have died down, so I'll try to summarize:

One key idea was that a liberal arts education has broad goals, i.e., it's for a career but also for membership in community, civic life, etc. Another take on breadth, from the perspective of curricula or student experiences, is that a liberal arts program provides room for second majors, minors, and interdisciplinary interests. Within computing programs, breadth is reflected in early exposure to the variety of computing topics and cross-disciplinary connections. What makes something a "liberal arts" program is that it's goals reflect such desires for breadth; "liberal arts" is *not* defined by size of institution or where a program is housed within an institution. All in all, this definition is very close to the one offered in the committee goals and focus statement.

So it looks to me like we're pretty comfortable with the idea that the sorts of computing programs we'll focus on are ones that have a central goal of broad education. On lifelong timescales, this means preparing students for their community/civic roles and personal well-being as well as for careers; on course-of-study timescales, this means breadth of computing and its applications, and opportunities for study outside of computing per se. Is this indeed a notion of "liberal arts" that we're willing to use going forward?

(PS. I also thought it was neat how many of the foregoing liberal arts values appeared in Villanova's College of Engineering mission statement Boots quoted. I sometimes have this heretical idea that there really could be such a thing as a liberal arts engineering program if someone wanted it.)

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