Thanks Doug for getting this rolling again. Unfortunately I am not going to be much help until about mid-July. I am currently teaching a summer study-abroad course in London and thus far, while it has been great, it has been all-consuming. I get back to the office July 9 and can pitch in more at that point. Best, Grant On Jun 6, 2017, at 9:51 AM, Douglas Baldwin <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Seems to me it's time to start talking about whether the SIGCSE liberal arts committee wants to do another survey, and if so what should be in it. > > Grant's survey last summer mainly concentrated on what computing programs look like at liberal arts colleges represented on this committee. The notes from SIGCSE 2017 suggest that there is a lot of interest in program profiles, so we might want to expand that study to a larger population. > > Other interests I saw in the SIGCSE notes that might merit collecting data include... > > - Faculty profiles (how many faculty, at what ranks, salaries, recruiting/retention, etc.) > > - Research expectations (expectations for tenure/promotion, involvement of students in research, opportunities to publish, opportunities to collaborate, etc.) > > - Student profiles (majors of students in CS courses, enrollments, student ages or class years, differences in patterns between intro and other courses, changes in patterns over time, etc.) > > - Other program/curriculum aspects (frequency of course offerings, teaching loads, online vs face-to-face, service to other programs or gen ed, etc.) > > - External relations (how other units on campus view CS, how CS programs at other kinds of institution view liberal arts, how employers view liberal arts CS, etc.) > > Data related to some of these things may already be available, e.g., from ACM's NDC survey, from CRA's Taulbee, there might be US Dept. of Education databases, etc. Conceivably some of this has been covered in other literature, too, although I'm not optimistic that much of it has. > > So how do you feel? Should we start putting together another survey? If so, what exactly should it ask? If not, what other ideas do you have about getting a more comprehensive and objective understanding of issues facing liberal arts CS programs than we have already? Do we need a "more comprehensive and objective understanding"? > > Thanks.