http://www.pdr-is.com/javaeval.htm is a favorable review of Java, but does have a long section of "what's still wrong with it" -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- W. Wesley Groleau (Wes) Office: 219-429-4923 Hughes Defense Communications (MS 10-41) Home: 219-471-7206 Fort Wayne, IN 46808 (Unix): [log in to unmask] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------