I always defined a hacker as a person who enters: main() { } with an editor, compiles and then envokes the debugger to do the real work. I remember in a previous job when someone came to me to get help running the debugger because I was the UNIX expert and were very suprised to find out I could not answer their question because I used it so little. In that case I was writing in C. I delivered about 3.5KSOCs and made 38 errors. 37 of them would have been caught for me by an Ada or Pascal compiler. BTW all the errors were caught in unit test. Steve Schwarm Sr. Princ. Eng. MITRE W. Wesley Groleau (Wes) wrote: > > On Tue, 18 Mar 1997, McDonough, Daniel Mr HQ/SAN wrote: > > code is running off the end of arrays. This usually caused the progam > to blow up somewhere else. I used to get into endless change, compile, > run, crash - damn - where is that bug? loops. Now, with Ada, I can squash > > Sounds like an appropriate time to resurrect a bit said to have been on > a bumper sticker: > > C code. C code run. #$%^&* code, run! > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > W. Wesley Groleau (Wes) Office: 219-429-4923 > Hughes Defense Communications (MS 10-41) Home: 219-471-7206 > Fort Wayne, IN 46808 (Unix): [log in to unmask] > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------