HalHart wrote: >What do we have to do? Do we have to take out full-page ads with url's >and names in the major newspapers in the 10 largest cities to get the >word out to both sides?? What? -- hh Yep. The surprising fact is that although many people in the technical fields find jobs through networking or other professional methods, many still base their conceptions of the availability of jobs in a certain field on the number of newspaper advertisements they see. If they don't see Ada jobs advertised, the perception is that there is no market for Ada programmers. Therefore they would be wasting their time even trying to network for those non-existent postions. So we end up with the employers not telling (no ads) and the seekers not asking (no market). Additional thoughts on Marsha's Trade Study: I would hope that the trade study would include some analysis of the maintainability of code. One experiment I would like to see is to take two 20 year old programs that implement similar functions coded in different languages and ask skilled programmers to update them to add a specific new feature. We now have 20 year old programs available in a variety of languages and some of these do perform similar functions. A company as large as LMC should be able to find two military programs in their libraries that would fit the bill for this type of experiment. Basically my point here is that Ada keeps claiming to be better now it is time to prove it - Especially in light of the DoD decision to remove the mandate. Ada vendors now have a vested interest in proving the claims for the language. Trade studies like Marsha's will soon be required by a lot of Ada's former friends (DoD) and if we want the studies based on facts then we must be willing to do the investigative work. Enough said except for the standard disclaimer that all opinions expressed are the author's and do not represent an official goevernment position. Dean R. Runzel Software Engineer US Army STRICOM Orlando, FL