I've been following the discussion on the value of mathematics vs engineers and then today saw a message related to how to market Ada. Perhaps one of academicians could consult a someone in the business college but he's my thought: Ada is the best VALUE programming language available. FREE type checking FREE compilation checks FREE exception handling FREE Web-based Training Courses Available etc. etc. etc. AND BEST OF ALL: FREE COMPILERS You just can't find a better value for your programming needs than Ada!!! Dean Runzel Computer Engineer The opinions expressed are mine alone.