I agree that the comp.lang.ada.advocacy would be a good approach. The problem is that such a group potentially precipitates interminable inane arguments from anti-Ada gremlins that are absent from the current advocacy Listserve for Team-Ada. Actually, if the ratio of spam to content does not reverse itself soon, I am seriously considering a return to snail-mail. Postage stamps and the U.S. Postal Service is looking more and more attractive when I open my email inbox and find sixty or more advertisements for pornography, get-rich quick, and offers to reserach my geneaology. Sighhhhhhhhhh. Richard Riehle [log in to unmask] AdaWorks Software Engineering Suite 30 2555 Park Boulevard Palo Alto, CA 94306 (650) 328-1815 FAX 328-1112