Pascal Obry wrote >So the main idea is more a language gives you a high level of abstraction >more work does it have to build your program, but less work *you* have >to write it. I certainly agree. But I think almost any reader of the Clean mailing list would also agree, including the person who commented on slow Ada compilers. Clean would generally be regarded as a higher-level, more abstract language than Ada (which is not to say that I think it is a better language overall). - Jim