> As the list Owner, I see the failed attempts to post all the time and > often respond by posting the message for them manually. It > definitely increases the workload on the list maintainer, which > is an obvious negative, but it also reduces the spam, which is > an obvious positive. > > Rick > Well, I'll get into the discussion too - why not? Currently I'm managing 6 lists using listproc, which has all the same options. Like everything else in this business, list options entail a bunch of tradeoffs. These have been outlined quite well by John and Rick. Here's my take on Team-Ada: it's designed to be a place where folks can easily get advocacy advice, aid & comfort, shoulders to cry on, etc. That suggest strongly to me that it should not be bogged down with list-management administrivia. As a fairly experienced (by now) list manager (like Rick) I think Team-Ada is best left as a wide-open list to which anyone can post and to which anyone can subscribe. That will minimize the number of bounced messages and aggravation to those who come here looking for help. Team-Ada has been pretty businesslike over the years, much less prone to degenerate into invective and name-calling than the typical unmoderated newsgroup. I have not seen c.l.a. for months; I found the signal/noise ratio far too low to waste time there anymore. How much spam has this list _really_ gotten? A message a week? Less, I think. In fact, the _discussion_ of how to reduce spam has taken up more bandwidth than the spam itself. Like junk paper mail, spam is a fact of modern life. My advice: Get a life. Find the delete key on your mailer, and blow the occasional spam into the ether unremarked. Your stress level will go way down, I think.:-) Mike Feldman