I wouldn't include products (such as XinAda and Topgraph'X) primarly aimed at Ada programmers as "Ada applications". Tools for Ada programmers are unlikely to demonstrate that real applications are built with Ada. Of course, the availability of tools is an important consideration, so that is also a (different) issue. If we're including tools, Claw should be included, as it is an Ada 95 Windows interface similar to MFC (Microsoft Foundation Classes). In addition, the Claw GUI Builder is a Claw application - it is 100% Ada 95. (As I told people at SigAda '98, the builder has no C++, no Visual Basic, no Delphi, no Java, no junk!) Randy Brukardt R.R. Software, Inc.