> And I believe the discussion was about who we should attempt to _attract_
> to using Ada.  A campaign that was highly successful at attracting to Ada
> the folks who are going to build sloppy systems anyway does nothing to
> help those people, and does harm to the reputation of Ada.

Unless you can say something like, "Look: xxxxxxxxx products are still
garbage, but they don't smell quite as bad since they started using Ada."