Let me try that again (slap me, I tried to use '.' as a quote marker): > Based on very few sample points. 10-20 overlaps 16-23 which is why I > said "at least as" rather than "more than". I had [Jones'] paper in > mind. In my own experience, it is "more than", but without concrete > numbers and a large sample space, my opinion is just that - Opinion. Jones' numbers may be just that, too: " The languages and levels in Table 2 were gathered in four ways. Counting Function Points and Source Code Counting Source Code Inspecting Source Code Researching Languages Counting Function Points And Source Code Actual counts of Function Points and source code statements were performed. Samples of counting Function Points and source code statements were done on Ada, several BASIC dialects, COBOL, PASCAL, and PL/I. [dated 1997 - I doubt he had sufficient data for Ada-95] Counting Source Code Source code statements were counted, then compared to the size of the same program in languages of known levels. Assembly, APL, C, OBJECTIVE C, FORTH, FORTRAN, LISP, PILOT, and PROLOG are languages that produce the same source code count as COBOL. So code sizes were compared to the known quantity of COBOL source code. Inspecting Source Code Source code inspection for common applications was done. Then the volume of code for the application in a measured language was hypothesized. ACTOR, CLARION, and TRUE BASIC are examples of languages that were inspected and their levels hypothesized by subjective means. Researching Languages Research was done by reading descriptions and genealogies of languages and making an educated guess as to their levels. KL, CLOS, TWAICE, and FASBOL are examples of languages that were assigned tentative levels merely from descriptions of the language, rather than from actual counts. " [end quote] Clearly the third and fourth methods are highly susceptible to the analyst's bias. I wrote SPR and asked which methods were used for Ada-83, Ada-95, perl, C++, Java, and Eiffel. No answer. They did answer another message in which I was asked about the study Capers Jones cited in Crosstalk recently. They sent me a copy of the actual study. Unfortunately, there were so many variables in the comparison that no clear conclusion could be drawn. (Although an uncritical reading favored Smalltalk and Ada 95.)