>I also think they are very close to having the ability to accept visa/mc over >the web for renewals etc. . . Yes, but I read a post just a few days ago that ACM's general forms system for membership applications/renewals has not been updated to reflect the new reduced SIG-only fee options. In other words, you will be charged $48 or $53 or something like that to join SIGAda without full-blown ACM membership, instead of the $25 rate ACM enabled when they dropped their SIG-only processing surcharge last year. Note that Word version of our SIGAda application available on my website (http://home.earthlink.net/~hal_hart/sigadapp.doc) allows putting it on your credit card. -hh