>One can argue with my numbers (please do; I unfortunately do not have the >metrics available to give accurate comparisons), but it does not help to >say something is "patently false". Not many people will be persuaded with >that. The opposite of "patently false" is "patently true". Do the other people have the proof that C _is_ cheaper? No doubt they will mumble about "we don't need proof, we all _know_ that it is cheaper". (You may get the same argument from Ada people). However arguing from a position of _assuming_ the C claims are true will always put you behind. Dale